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When Will It All End?

June 11, 2009

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the friends, family and loved ones of  Stephen T. Johns, the 39 year old security guard who was senselessly gunned down yesterday at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum by 88 year old neo-Nazi James von Brunn. Just another case of right-wing terrorism fomented by the fever-pitch of hate speech vitriol Americans are being bombarded with on talk radio, cable news and the internet. When will it all end?

James von Brunn attacked the museum just days after President Obama gave a stirring speech at Buchenwald, where he was so emotionally moved at seeing the place where thousands of Jews, as well as thousands of political prisoners and Soviet prisoners of war; were detained, tortured and killed. The President caustically rebuked holocaust deniers, and von Brunn took exception.

This tragedy occurred on the heels of the assassination of Dr. George Tiller, who, among his many duties, provided “late term” abortions. Right-wing terrorist Scott Roeder, who shot the doctor in church, had become fanatically consumed with Fox News’ jihad against “Tiller the Baby-Killer”.

And let’s not forget that horrifying day in Pittsburgh back in April, when right-wing Second Amendment zealot and White-Supremacist Richard “Pop” Poplawski opened fire, and ended the lives of Officers Stephen Mayhle, Paul Sciullo and Eric Kelly amid thunderous warnings on talk radio that President Obama was going to strip away the Right to Bear Arms.

Well, I’m sorry, but it’s not just another news story to any of the human beings that mourn the passing of Stephen T. Johns, or Dr. George Tiller, or Officers Stephen Mayhle, Paul Sciullo and Eric Kelly. Please, PLEASE, if we can’t stop the hate, let’s at least dial it back a notch…

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  1. creeping permalink
    June 11, 2009 12:17 pm

    What a narrow point of view.

    This disgusting rampage didn’t happen on the heels of the Tiller murder, it happened on the heels of the Private Long murder by an Islamic jihadist who claimed he killed the Army private for the sake of Allah and for Islam.

    You conveniently left that out of your story while at the same time leaving a comment on our blog that we, the United States, should be talking to Islamic terrorist group Hamas who seeks to kill and destroy all the Jews in Israel. Just like von Brunn tried to do in the museum.

    We know how Mujahid Mohammid, von Brunn, and Hamas would have it end…yet you want to talk to Hamas

  2. June 11, 2009 12:27 pm

    I “conveniently” left it out because I doubt very much the Islamic jihadist was moved by the words of Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly or Rush Limbaugh. I’ve said elsewhere that killing under the guise of religion, no matter what the religion is, is completely unacceptable.
    This post was about right-wing homegrown terrorists.
    You somehow equate talking with Hamas to completely caving in to their demands, that’s just ridiculous. While I reject the guiding principles of Hamas, they are a legitimate voice in the region. What would you rather do, just hide in the corner and hope they go away?

  3. June 11, 2009 5:15 pm

    Let’s see “right-wing” terrorist kill 2 since June 4th.

    The “left-wing” favorite group of wonderful “Peaceful” Muslims have killed…143

    If Obama calls Islam a “religion of peace” then neo-Nazi’s must actually be up their with Ghandi and MLK.

    I mean let’s just compare for a second here…

    2009.06.09 Afghanistan Asadabad
    A child dies from shrapnel injuries when religious extremists toss a grenade into a crowd.

    2009.06.09 Pakistan Peshawar
    Shahid car bombers attack a hotel, killing eleven people in the suicide blast.

    2009.06.08 Thailand Narathiwat
    Ten people are massacred in a surprise assault by Islamic insurgents on a local mosque.

    2009.06.08 Thailand Narathiwat
    Islamists gun down a rubber tapper.

    2009.06.08 Iraq Mosul
    Two students are gunned down in separate attacks.

    2009.06.08 Iraq Baghdad
    Seven passengers aboard a minibus are blown to Allah by a planted bomb.

    2009.06.08 Pakistan Peshawar
    Seminary students are suspected in the bombing of a police van that killed one officer.

    2009.06.08 Pakistan Swat
    Religious extremists attack a home, kill a guard, then kidnap a man, whom they later murder.

    2009.06.07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan
    Two Shias are killed in a Sunni drive-by. A Sunni is killed in a Shia grenade attack.

    2009.06.07 Algeria Kabylia
    Three security personnel are killed in two bombings by fundamentalists.

    2009.06.07 Somalia Mogadishu
    Islamists kill three civilians with a roadside bomb.

    2009.06.07 Pakistan Peshawar
    Three people are killed when Taliban militants attack a convoy carrying prisoners.

    2009.06.07 Iraq Mosul
    Two hospital guards are kidnapped and murdered.

    2009.06.07 Somalia Mogadishu
    A radio station director is shot in the head by suspected fundamentalists.

    2009.06.07 Afghanistan Kandahar
    Mujahideen manage to kill a mother and son with a landmine.

    2009.06.07 Afghanistan Faryab
    Taliban ambush a police post and murder four local officers.

    2009.06.07 Thailand Narathiwat
    A storekeeper is blasted to death by Muslim truck bombers.

    2009.06.07 Thailand Narathiwat
    Islamic militants gun down two village defense volunteers in cold blood.

    2009.06.06 Pakistan Islamabad
    Two local cops are taken down by a Shahid suicide bomber.

    2009.06.06 Iraq Suwayra
    A man and his wife are among nine people blown up in the name of Allah in various attacks.

    2009.06.06 Afghanistan Spin Boldak
    Five people are blown to bits by a Fedayeen bomber at a market.

    2009.06.05 Pakistan Upper Dir
    A suicide bomber manages to infiltrate a rival mosque and massacre fifty worshippers, including a dozen children.

    2009.06.05 Dagestan Dagestan
    Two government officials are machine-gunned at point-blank range.

    2009.06.05 Iraq Jalawla
    A local policeman is kidnapped and murdered by Muslim militants.

    2009.06.05 Thailand Pattani
    Three civilians and two rangers are murdered in four attacks by Islamic terrorists.

    2009.06.05 India Pulwama
    A 56-year-old man is shot to death inside his home by Mujahideen.

    2009.06.05 Pakistan South Waziristan
    Five security personnel are killed by Islamic fundamentalists in two IED attacks.

    2009.06.04 Afghanistan Kandahar
    Four farmers are blown to bits when Talibanis attach a bomb to their vehicle.

    Wow, neo-Nazi’s are REALLY peaceful when compared to other “peaceful” groups of people when looked at through the eye’s of Obama!!!

  4. June 11, 2009 6:03 pm

    The problem here is the inability for an extremist to get past his prejudice. Hatred is taught! We need to quit teaching our children hatred and teach them tolerance. Hatred and prejudice results in war.

    This is nothing more than bigotry in action and a good example of what hatred can drive an old man to do. A man with a life time of hatred in his heart.

    This is what I believe President Obama is trying overcome and what I hoped we were getting past by electing him.

    I am a white man who accepts all race and cultures. This is America where diversity is our history and our culture. We need to stop hating each other.

    Agree to disagree politically and let the majority vote rule…but when the political battles are over, we should get behind those the majority elected into office…That is the America I know and love.

    • June 11, 2009 6:04 pm

      loved The way you wrote this, best blog I have seen on this story….kudos

  5. June 11, 2009 6:35 pm

    PofV, Great post. The problem with crazy extremist speech, is that it appeals to crazy extremists.

    Freedom Thinkier, I don’t think “peaceful” Muslims are killing anyone. That’s the definition of peaceful. Am I missing something?

  6. June 12, 2009 12:34 am

    Thinker, I believe Judy took you to task better than I could have.
    Seriously, there’s more than enough hatred to go around right now. All I’m asking is, can’t we dial it down a little?
    Italco, I think you may have defined what a civilized culture is supposed to be! It’s the America President Obama said is our promise yet to be completely fulfilled, but we’re working at it.
    Judy, you’re the best.

  7. June 12, 2009 5:48 am

    Hi PofV – I added a new page to my blog. Anti-Terrorism, expose hatred. It provides links to report these types of hate issues.

  8. June 12, 2009 9:21 am

    I just don’t see the point of making a big deal with “right-wingers” for right-wing violence when it is so minute. ESPECIALLY, when the “left-wing” calls a religion such as Islam a “religion of peace”. PEW data shows up to 600 million Muslim’s are ok with the killing of civilians.

    As for…

    Freedom Thinkier, I don’t think “peaceful” Muslims are killing anyone. That’s the definition of peaceful. Am I missing something?

    Exactly! Obama and his groupies call 600 million people ok with the killing of civilians “peaceful”. I don’t think you’ll find very many right wing leaders (Newt, Limbaugh, etc.) that are ok with neo-Nazi’s killing people and in fact they speak out against it.

    Where is the mainstream liberals or mainstream Islamic leaders speaking out against Islamic Jihad. I think it’s just odd that liberals can say…

    Just another case of right-wing terrorism fomented by the fever-pitch of hate speech vitriol Americans are being bombarded with on talk radio, cable news and the internet. When will it all end?

    Yet, things like Obama’s speech in Cairo was “good”. What about true tyranny and threats to our freedom. Seems a little odd to me that something as backwards as that speech which was empowering, enabling, and minimizing a true threat and violence is a little off. You ask when will it all end? But the right and right-wing religious people have mechanisms for fighting the type of evil of neo-Nazi’s and abortion doctor killers (it’s called the love of one’s enemies) and it is and will be forever an ongoing fight as all groups has confused memebers.

    But the left ignores the true threat which isn’t right-wing anymore. At least not when you look at the data.

  9. June 12, 2009 5:22 pm

    I think I see your problem. You’re equating Christian with Right, and Muslim with Left; which is insane.
    Seems to me that the conservatives are the ones who like killing, regardless of what religion they are.

    • June 15, 2009 11:54 am

      Why is that insane? Generally, evangelical Christians vote “Republican” or conservative. And Obama praise’s Islam and denegrates the West and a lot of Liberals and left-wing people voted for Obama. If you deny Evangelical Christian’s are generally voting for the right and if Obama doesn’t praise Islam and denegrate the West your just ignoring the facts.

      It’s Obama (a Liberal Democrat by any stretch) that says,

      America and Islam are not exclusive, and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles – principles of justice and progress; tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.

      When Obama compares the American Constitutional principles of Justice to Sharia Law or says that America tolerance is equally to Islam, or that America values the dignity of all human beings as Islam does. He is lifting up Sharia Law, or anti-tolerance, or human violence to a status of being Justice, Tolerance, and Dignity therefore making violence good or either debasing America.

      Again, if conservatives like killing and violence by your definition then liberals (like Obama) must be the must vile psychopaths to walk the earth.

  10. June 12, 2009 5:42 pm

    I challenge the thinkers of the world to drop their sectarianism, their nationalism, and their partisanships, and in the spirit of brotherhood to work in their particular nation, regarding it as integral part of a great federation of nations, – a federation that now exists on the inner side, but waits for the activity of the world thinkers to bring it to materialization on the outer side.
    I charge them to work in the cause of religion, and in the field of that particular religion in which they, by an accident of birth or choice, are interested, regarding each religion as part of the great world religion. They must look upon the activities of their group, society or organization, as demanding their help, just in so far, as the principles on which they are founded, and the techniques which they employ, serve the general good, and develop the realization of Brotherhood.

    I ask you to drop your antagonisms and your antipathies, your hatreds and your racial differences, and to attempt to think in terms of the one family, the one life, and the one humanity.
    I would remind you that hatred and separateness have brought humanity to the present condition.
    I would add to that reminder, however, the fact that there is in the world today a large enough number of liberated men, to produce a change in the attitudes of mankind and in public opinion, if they measure up by an act of the will, to what they know and believe.

    I challenge you also to make sacrifices; to give yourself and your time, and your money, and your interest, to carry these ideas to those around you, in your own environment, and to the group in which you find yourself, thus awakening your associates. I call you to a united effort to inculcate anew the ideas of brotherhood and of unity. I ask you to recognize your fellow workers in all the groups and to strengthen their hands. I ask you to seal your lips to words of hatred and of criticism, and to talk in terms of brotherhood and of group relationships. I beg of you to see to it that every day is for you a new day, in which you face new opportunity. Lose sight of your own affairs, your petty sorrows, worries and suspicions, in the urgency of the task to be done, and spread the cult of unity, of love and of harmlessness.

    I also ask you to sever connection with all groups which are seeking to destroy and to attack, no matter how sincere their motive. Range yourself on the side of the workers for constructive ends, who are fighting no other groups or organizations, and who have eliminated the world “anti” out of their vocabulary. Stand on the side of those who are silently and steadily building for the new order – an order which is founded on love, which builds under the impulse of brotherhood, and which possesses a realization of brotherhood, which is based on the knowledge that we are, each and all, no matter what our race, the children of the One Father, and who have come to the realization that the old ways of working must go, and the newer methods must be given a chance.

    If you cannot yourself teach or preach or write, give of your thought and of your money, so that others can. Give of your hours and minutes of leisure, so as to set others free to serve the Plan; give of your money, so that the work of those associated with the new group of “world servers” may go forward with rapidity. Much time you waste on non-essentials. Many of you give little or nothing of time. The same is the case with money. Give as never before, and so make the physical aspects of the work possible. Some give of their very need, and the power they thereby release is great. Those on the inner side are grateful for the giving by those who can give only at great personal cost. Others give of what they can spare, and only when it needs no sacrifice to give. Let that condition also end, and give to the limit, with justice and understanding, so that the age of love and light may be more rapidly ushered in. I care not where or to whom you give, only that you give, – little if you have but little of time and money, much if you have much. Work and give, love and think and aid those groups who are building and not destroying, loving and not attacking, lifting and not tearing down.

    I challenge you above all to a deeper life, and I implore you for the sake of your fellow men to strengthen your contact with your own soul, so that you will have done your share in making revelation possible; so that you will have served your part in bringing in the light, and will therefore be in a position to take advantage of that new light and new information, and so be better able to point the way and clear the path for the bewildered seeker at that time. Those who are not ready for the coming events, will be blinded by the emerging light, and bewildered by the revealing wonder; they will be swept by the living breath of God, and it is to you that we look to fit them for the event. ~A.A.B.

  11. June 13, 2009 12:17 pm

    Thinker, I think your mistake is to assume that Islam advocates death and terrorism. It doesn’t. Just as Christianity does not advocate the killing of abortion clinic doctors. The people doing the killing (here and in your examples) are extremists – they are not representative of any religion. They are, as you point out, “confused.” It is interesting to me that you allow that for the Christians but do not allow it for the Muslims.

    I know a lot of Christians and Muslims. None of them advocate violence, nor work from a doctrine that does.

    And for the record, I thought Obama’s speech in Cairo was inspiring. It called on all sides to stop the craziness. Which is, I think, the point of PofV’s post.

    • June 15, 2009 11:22 am

      I think your mistake is to assume that Islam advocates death.

      If you think this then do a little research a find a Qu’ranic verse in context that says that Muslims should love their enemies!

      As the Qu’ran specifically says Allah himself fights against the unbelievers (9:30), so why should Muslims not fight in his cause rather than in the cause of evil (4:76)? The conclusion is they should.

      The Qu’ran says that Muslims should make ready their strength to the utmost of their power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the enemies of Allah and their enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know (8:60). So much for not ADVOCATING TERROR. Meanwhile it says to strive hard (Jihad) against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. (66:9, See also 9:73)

      I could list another 20 or 30 versus that advocate, violence, terror, and more. But I’ll wait for you to list a Qu’ranic verse that is about caring for and loving your enemies instead. Which can’t be done because it doesn’t exist.

      I know a lot of Christians and Muslims. None of them advocate violence, nor work from a doctrine that does.

      Then why are upwards of 600 million Muslims according to PEW research ok with violence against civilians? Probably because your “Muslim” friends don’t work from the Qu’ran. They are lukewarm Muslim’s not fully believing the Words of Allah. If so they wouldn’t be your “friends”. As the Qu’ran states, “O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?” (4:144)

      As for Obama’s speech in Cairo being inspiring if you prefer lies to truth, danger to safety, slavery to freedom then perhaps it was an inspiring speech. It still doesn’t change the fact that it was FULL of lies a simple listening or reading of the speech reveals countless untruth. How can somebody call on somebody to “stop the craziness” when they deny the craziness to begin with. He didn’t address ANY of the major problems between the West and Islam. He talked about symptoms (such as economics or women’s rights) not the problem.

      PofV’s point of her post was, “Just another case of right-wing terrorism fomented by the fever-pitch of hate speech vitriol Americans are being bombarded with on talk radio, cable news and the internet. When will it all end?” My point is that right-wing terrorism is a minor problem compared with the true threat. It’s unfortunately that nut jobs like those in her post are taking away from the real threat. Because PofV is saying when will it stop but she is looking at the wrong group. Those right-wing, talk radio, cable news, and internet groups are fighting for the freedom of America. More then I can say for Obama (in his speech he says that he’ll fight for Islam but I ask what about America).

      • June 16, 2009 1:22 am

        And what is it you, Mr. smartypants, propose?
        More bombing and pre-emptive stupidity?
        Do share!

      • June 16, 2009 1:24 am

        Have you ever even known a muslim?
        That’s what I thought.

      • June 17, 2009 5:01 pm

        Since I can’t seem to find the “Reply” button for “sekanblogger” to answer his very original and “intellectual” questions I’ll put them here. He asks what I purpose!

        My answer is well researched and documented here using data, logic, and common sense I would propose part of the solution to be additional warfare but also fighting Islam economically and with the pen. I propose a three pronged method of addressing the problems we have with Islam. I don’t know if you will be able to read anything as long and as researched as that post but it would be interesting hearing a reasoned and intellectual response.

        What do you propose sekanblogger, to lay down and die, to convert, or to pay the Jizya?

        As for your second question do I know many Muslims? Yes, and they admit they aren’t good Muslims as they don’t pratice. But in Islam Muslims are perfect because UNLIKE Christianity Adam and Eve didn’t fall from the Garden so they lack the sin nature that most Western civilization has in it’s core ideologies and laws.

        But the more important question is have you ever read the Qu’ran? I have.

  12. June 13, 2009 8:58 pm

    Judy brings up something I touched on once here, no matter what my affiliations, if I say I’m christian, so be it. I’m christian.
    Same for nutball killers.

    You know what, there have been some Popes who engaged in murder, warfare and crusades. They said they were christians.

    If we had a means to prevent people from claiming to be christians, Kansas would have used it on Fred Phelps already.

  13. therushreport permalink
    June 15, 2009 10:37 am

    Well, there is nothing original about this post. It is a one sided “point of view” and from I read I see you don’t have a thought of your own. You just parrot what you hear and see on CNN & MSNBC, and I know that because of the catch phrase “right-wing homegrown terrorists”. Is that all you liberals idiots can do? Sit on the fence where it is convenient and safe? You oppose the death penalty, and support abortion. You are a stereotypical coward, with not one original, or thoughtful idea your head. The next time you want to post a blog just let it go.

    • June 15, 2009 6:49 pm

      @therushreport – Think about it. You call everyone who voted for President Obama and listens to CNN “liberal idiots”. Those liberal idiots whiped your dip shit conservative asses and continue to do so on a daily basis….hell you don’t even have a vote anymore.

      You are too stupid to realize that you have lost all credibility in America over your never ending attacks and rheteric mud slinging. No one is listening to you any more…ok your kind listen to you but they don’t have a vote in congress so it really is a mute point.

      If the liberals are the idiots then consider yourself even a bigger idiot….you lost and guess what, you prejudice prick?…your President is BLACK…lmao.

      • June 16, 2009 1:23 am

        You’re speaking to a dittohead. let him see what his god rushbo limpballs has to say. then he can get back to you with some original stuff. no parroting here.

    • June 16, 2009 1:20 am

      A DITTOHEAD calling people unoriginal?
      How original. And so intellectual too……..

    • June 18, 2009 12:02 am

      I would rather parrot what CNN or MSNBC says than what Rush Limbaugh says.

  14. June 17, 2009 10:56 pm

    Freedom thinker, the problem is you only view freedom from your point of view.
    Muslims are not evil people to be destroyed just because they happened to be born into that religion.
    This entire crusade/jihadi attitude you display mirrors those you hate.
    You seem to be their christian counterpart.
    Dude, I am plenty intellectual enough for you.
    We could trade bible verses all night long. How boring.

    All the research, statistics and cold hard facts are no substitute for personal experience.

    MY JESUS gains converts by washing their feet.
    Does yours conquer them with hatred?

    • June 18, 2009 4:43 pm

      Muslims are not evil people to be destroyed just because they happened to be born into that religion. This entire crusade/jihadi attitude you display mirrors those you hate.

      Where do you get that I want to destroy Muslims? Can you reference that? Where do you get that I have a Jihadi attitude? If you are intellectual enough for me perhaps you could reference these opinions. Intellectual thought stems from facts and not make believe.

      MY JESUS gains converts by washing their feet.
      Does yours conquer them with hatred?

      No, my Jesus gains converts by washing their feet. Allah gains converts by the sword.

      However, I defend my family with whatever means necessary. When the rapiest and murder shows up at your door to rape your daughters and wife and murder you I will not offer to wash his feet. That may be your choice and IN ALL HONESTY more power to you. But I will fight until my last breath.

  15. June 17, 2009 11:32 pm

    BTW THINKER GUY. Yes, I’ve read the Koran, Quran however you spell it.
    I may be a Kansas redneck, but I’m also well read.
    Even Kansas has libraries.

    • June 18, 2009 4:49 pm

      I’ve got you beat!!! I’m a West Virginia redneck… So, whatever I say can be measured against the number of teeth in my mouth and the years my paw worked in the mines.

      How many verses are their about loving your enemies in Islam? How many verses are their to kill or subdue your enemy. My basic idea is this… Islam is comming to kill and enslave us, no doubt. This cannot be dennied through out History and their own book. The killer is at the door! Yet, Obama (and Bush) are running around like their is no problem. It’s not about democrat/republican. I’m a registred democrat who voted independent for president, democrat for governor, republican for congress, and republican for senate. We waste time demonizing each other when our politicians are selling us up the creek.

      • June 18, 2009 9:51 pm

        Freedom thinker, I think we have much in common.
        By the way, just had the last of my teeth yanked out about a month ago.
        Damned dentures hurting right now.

        You do have some valid, and validated points.
        If you speak verse for verse it may be troubling. However…
        Our old testament God was apparently pretty vengeful, no?

        There are troubling stats if you look for them.
        How about the fact that stupid people have more kids than intelligent ones? Catholics more than protestants, etc. We are losing the race to have the most security through numbers. We ultimately lose by attrition. If you just juke the stats you can make the case for exterminating entire categories of people!
        We pollute 200% more than poor villagers in Pakistan, Do we need to go too?

        The real problem is that we have these theocracies and crazy leaders where they have theocracy.

        “We waste time demonizing each other when our politicians are selling us up the creek.” DAMNED STRAIGHT.

        And the ‘media’ is complicit by covering ‘he said-she said’ manufactured hyperbole. We must support real journalism IN PRINT.
        We’re witnessing the crimes of the century, and we’re fighting about Letterman vs Palin? sheesh

  16. June 19, 2009 4:17 pm

    We’re witnessing the crimes of the century, and we’re fighting about Letterman vs Palin? sheesh

    Amen to that! A “Republican” lecturing on political correctness, please shoot me now!

    As for rest of your reply I hear you on it all. We’re NOT perfect by any means! Christian’s, Budists, and even Athiests to name a few are quick to acknowledge issues that creat challenges and to work to come up with ways to coexist and still debate.

  17. suckonthis permalink
    June 20, 2009 5:56 pm

    What I don’t get is the mentality where instead of saying “wow, maybe we ought to stop it with the public denouncement of people as ‘evil’ because some of them end up getting killed for it”, people say “oh yeah? Well what about YOUR guy! YOUR guy’s WORSE”

    Private Long wasn’t pointed out to so-called Muslim extremists by a major left-wing media source. He wasn’t repeatedly vilified and demonised by a sustained Liberal television and press campaign. Liberal people do not go around saying “army recruiters are evil and need to be stopped at any cost or more people will die”.

    Liberals merely propose to work with peaceful Muslims. They don’t preach hatred to extremist Muslims. O’Reilly’s rhetoric, on the other hand, was aimed directly at the nutcase section of the pro-life movement. You don’t try to solve a situation by calling someone a baby-killer. All that achieves is to make everyone extremely angry.

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